Philip Mack
Peptide Production
Chiron Technologies
11 Duerdin St
Clayton Vic 3168
Australia
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> From: Leo Benoiton <benoiton@uottawa.ca>
> To: Recipients of ABRF List <abrf@aecom.yu.edu>
> Cc: abrf@aecom.yu.edu
> Subject: Re: How to get rid of TFA?
> Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 4:43 AM
>
> I would like to assure you and everyone that I do not want to get myself
> into any controversy or argument. I just thought I might be able to help
> someone.
>
> I do not at all disagree that a few equivalents of trifluoroacetic acid
> might get displaced by lots of equivalents of acetic acid. But, from my
> 'knowledge' and recollection of views on this network, swamping a peptide
> with acetic acid and evaporating it does not displace/force out all of
the
> trifluoracetic acid.
>
> Leo B.
>
> At 02:22 PM 98/7/20 -0400, you wrote:
> >At 09:52 AM 7/20/1998 -0400, Leo Benoiton wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>TFA is a strong acid. It will protonate (create the TFA salt) any
amino
> >>group. The same goes for HCl.
> >>Acetic acid is a weak acid. It will only protonate more-basic amino
groups
> >>such as that on the side chain of lysine and of course the guanidino
group
> >>of arginine. As such, AcOH cannot displace TFA from a salt...
> >>
> >>
> >>The only way to remove the TFA is to displace it (evaporate in the
presence
> >>of) with a stronger acid - Hydrochloric acid will displace TFA ...
> >
> >On an equimolar basis I'm sure you're right. But I wonder if things are
a
> >bit different if one has first dried the peptide to remove excess TFA,
then
> >redisolved/resuspended in acetic acid?
> >
> >This principle (mass action) is the basis of the "TFA fix" introduced by
> >Alex Apffel and his colleagues for dealing with the suppresion caused by
> >TFA when introducing an LC eluate into an electrospray mass spec. The
> >eluant (with the usual 0.05-0.10% TFA) is mixed with half its volume of
a
> >mixture consisting of 1:1 acetic acid:acetonitrile. It is impressively
> >good in displacing TFA and improving the signal in the mass spec.
> >
> >See: Apffel A, Fischer S, Goldberg G, et al: Enhanced sensitivity for
> >peptide mapping with electrospray liquid chromatography-mass
spectrometry
> >in the presence of signal suppression due to trifluoroacetic
> >acid-containing mobile phases. J.Chromatogr.A. 1995; 712:177-190.
> >
> >Rod Levine
> >
> >NIH
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> >Bethesda, MD 20892-0320
> >
> >email: rlevine@nih.gov
> >voice: 1 (301) 496-2310
> >fax: 1 (301) 496-0599
> >
> N. Leo Benoiton
> Department of Biochemistry
> University of Ottawa
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1H 8M5
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>